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Episode 38. Christmas Special - Ian Shaw & Trudy Kerr

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Geoff closes the year with a Christmas ‘session’ that blends memory, humour, and unapologetic swing, featuring the brilliant Ian Shaw and the incomparable Trudy Kerr. From the first count-in you can feel the band's pocket and the playful way we shape tradition: ‘God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen’ settles into a medium swing, ‘O Come All Ye Faithful’ nods to Horace Silver, ‘Hark! The Herald Angels Sing’ stretches on a tasty vamp, and ‘Deck the Halls’ dances with a Latin pulse.

Between takes we wander through the stories that make the season personal. Ian riffs on Johnny Mathis's legendary breath control, the showbiz roots behind those perfect phrases, and why holding a single note can be a high-wire act! We laugh about panettone, glittering rooms at London’s ‘Crazy Coqs’ cabaret club, and the problem of wrapping paper that accidentally exposes Santa. Trudy arrives with sunlit memories of Australian Christmases and the heat-haze version of turkey and tinsel. Then she leans into a tender ‘Away in a Manger' that quiets the room.

If you love jazz vocals, holiday standards, or just hearing great singers play with form, this episode is for you. We talk phrasing, key choices, vamps, and why carols thrive in swing without losing their heart. And yes, we celebrate Quartet Volume 5, our brand new Christmas edition of the play-along app for iOS, built for singers and players who want a tight, responsive band in their pocket. It's an invitation to practice, perform, and find new colours in songs you've known forever.

Presenter: Geoff Gascoyne
Series Producer: Paul Sissons
Production Manager: Martin Sissons
The Quartet Jazz Standards Podcast is a UK Music Apps production.  

Introducing the Christmas Special

Geoff

Hello podcats. Geoff Gascoyne here. Well, we're getting towards the end of twenty twenty-five and uh it's been a good year. I started this podcast about forty weeks ago now. So we've had thirty seven episodes as we get to Christmas. I started this podcast as, firstly a way to promote my Quartet apps and to get people playing along, but also to speak to some great musicians and some people that I've known a long time. I've worked with some amazing people, a lot of them in the podcast. I hope you enjoyed it this year. I'm gonna carry on next year, but um coming up is a Christmas special that I recorded last week with an old friend of mine, Ian Shaw, and my lovely wife, Trudy Kerr, two great singers. Um Ian came around to listen to Quartet Volume 5, which came out recently, uh, which is an edition of all Christmas tunes. And he had a little sing, and Trudy came along and sung with him as well. And we had a lovely afternoon, and hope you're gonna enjoy this. This is a Christmas podcast special. Here we go.

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Ian Arrives and Holiday Banter

Geoff

That's got it. Hi Ian.

Ian

Hello.

Geoff

It's nearly Christmas.

Ian

It is,

Geoff

And um the new app is out.

Ian

Couldn't be more excited.

Geoff

Do you like Christmas?

Ian

I do like Christmas for a complete atheist, but also a deeply romantic at heart, I like the cheese. And the lights and the old films, and I never get sick of watching, you know, Judy Garland on the television.

Geoff

Whereabouts are you normally in Christmas?

Ian

It depends, either at my sister's enormous, huge celebration, big family. She's got a very blended family, me, my partner, three kids, uh, grandchildren, so I've got grand grandnephews. Yeah. So we all get together and drink. My sister and I just we just wait for the moment where everyone's gone and we can drink gin and tonic. She likes flavoured gin, which is all it was a boon, a boon at Christmas.

Geoff

Nice, nice.

Ian

Yeah.

Geoff

So we've just had some uh panettoni, actually. The first one just appeared in ...

Ian

It's air, Geoffrey.

Geoff

It's all air, isn't it? Butter and air. It was we pretty much had a whole one.

Ian

We did, didn't we? Yeah.

Geoff

We were talking about um

Ian

Johnny Mathis.

Johnny Mathis, Breath and Legend

Geoff

We were talking about Johnny Mathis the other day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That um that YouTube clip of of of him singing Johnny One Note. Have you seen that before?

Ian

Jesus got one one minute forty-one seconds. Do you think that's real, or do you think I'm not sure it could be real? You know, he was an underwater swimmer and an athlete. He was an Olympic athlete.

Geoff

Was he?

Ian

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Geoff

Yeah.

Ian

He was a gymnastic uh swimmer and an athlete. People are impressed by holding notes on, aren't they?

Geoff

Yeah. For anyone who hasn't seen it, it's Johnny Math is singing Johnny One Note. And he holds that note for

Ian

One 140.

Geoff

One minute forty. Yeah. While the backing singers sing the whole thing, I mean anything.

Ian

I saw that years ago. I might have seen it on the telly. Winslet can do three and a half minutes. Kate Winslet. Underwater, yeah.

Geoff

Oh god. That's like a diving thing, isn't it?

Ian

Yeah. I'm not bragging, but I could probably do that, I think. You just have to really almost go into a different. If you let any air go through it, you wouldn't be you you wouldn't last four seconds.

Geoff

So that's amazing, Christ.

Ian

With the music around it, it would be like a distraction. So you'd be in a some weird sort of hypnotic zone, you know. Weird, isn't it? Well,

Geoff

So we think Johnny's thing is probably real.

Ian

I think he did it, yeah. He's pretty fit. I think I'm pretty fit as well. I'm fat but fit, you know. You know, he went straight into show business from sport.

Geoff

Right, I didn't know that.

Ian

And there's some incredible footage of him dancing and doing trapeze and things on a show. I think the Andy Williams show.

Geoff

Right.

Ian

The Johnny Mathis Christmas album. I'm sure we had that in the coffin on legs, you know, in the front room. Yeah. The radiogram. Yeah. As soon as I hear I , I'm

Geoff

When a Child Was Born. Yeah. Are you doing any Christmas gigs or anything like that?

Ian

Yeah, I do a thing called um Shaw Shimmers into Christmas. I do double cocks. So two crazy cocks, two shows. Yeah.

Geoff

Okay.

Ian

Yeah, and it's just really funny because it's very glittery and camp and jewel-like, down there, you know, and people come they I think people come there because they want not just like a decent gig, but they also want a sort of night out in. And it's you couldn't get more smack bang London, could you? It's like literally Piccadilly Circus, you know. I do some sort of unusual Christmas songs. Like there's a great song called Facelift, which is all about uh Joni Mitchell. It's called Facelift because she'd given her mum some money from a song that was you called Man from Mars, which was used in a film called Grace of My Heart. And with these rare royalties, she gave some money to her mum. She gets like $20,000 from and her mother spent it on a facelift. I do some of the Motown ones, I've written a few. I Hate You Most at Christmas is a good song of mine. Which um

Geoff

You don't do The Little Boy That Santa Claus Forgot do you?

Ian

No.

Geoff

Do you know that one?

Ian

I do, that's a great song, isn't it? Yeah.

Geoff

That's my favourite one.

Ian

Oh my god.

Geoff

The payoff is I'm so sorry for that. Laddie, he hasn't got it. Daddy!

Ian

That's awful, isn't it?

Inside the Quartet Volume 5 Tracks

Geoff

Oh, it's that's on Quartet 5, by the way. Is that one? Yeah.

Ian

Is it?

Geoff

Along with many - let me get the list up one.

Ian

Look at that.

Geoff

Everything from Baby It's Cold Outside.

Ian

Oh wow!

Geoff

Christmas Song, of course. Um Christmas Time is here. Christmas was.

Ian

Have you got Geoff's Nuts Roasting on an Open Fire? We're talking about that one when I do it. E flat.

Geoff

Driving Home for Christmas.

Ian

Yeah.

Geoff

A, Feliz Navidad.

Ian

Silly Navidad.

Geoff

Frosty the Snowman.

Ian

I Believe Oh, I love I Believe in Father Christmas. Do we swing some of these? Step into Christmas.

Geoff

Mistletone and Wine.

Ian

Yeah.

Geoff

Sleigh Ride, Silver Bells, Silent Night. This Christmas, Step into Christmas.

Ian

Oh, What Are You Doing New Year's Eve? That's beautiful.

God Rest Ye in Jazz Swing

Geoff

So would you fancy having a go at this? God Rest Ye Merry, Gentleman.

Ian

Yeah, to get the lyrics up there.

Geoff

Here D minor, you got two choruses, and um here we go.

Ian

God resty merry gentleman, let nothing you dismay. Remember Christ I say he gave you was born on Christmas Day To save us all from Satan's power when we were gone astray. Oh tidings of comfort and joy, comfort and joy. Oh tidings of comfort and joy. Oh yeah. Whoa, and Bethlehem and Bethlehem, the blessed babe was born. And laid with it again, I mean, angel upon this blessed morn. To wish his mother married nothing taking scorn. Oh tidings of comfort, and joy comfort, and joy. Oh tidings of comfort and joy.

Geoff

Yeah, great. Beautiful, beautiful.

Ian

Give me more, give me more.

Geoff

It's funny because these tunes, I think they translate really well to to jazz. They do, don't they?

Ian

Yeah, they really do. Yeah, especially that kind of mid sort of medium swing thing.

Geoff

There's a lot of medium swing in here. Yes. Okay, what about Oh Come All Ye Faithful?

Ian

Yes.

Geoff

Yeah.

Ian

Where's that then? Got it.

Geoff

Right, so Oh Come All Ye Faithful. A lot of these we came up with little arrangements just in the studio, and this one's got a bit of Horace Silver kind of vibe.

Ian

Oh come ye, oh come ye to Bethlehem. Come and behold him, born the king of angels. Oh come, let us adore him. Oh come, let us adore him. Oh come let us adore him, Christ the Lord.

Geoff

A little bit of impersonation going on there.

Ian

Who's that then?

Geoff

I think that's how Johnny would say.

Ian

That's Johnny, isn't it? Yeah. Oh come all ye faithful.

Geoff

That's it. That's great.

Ian

It's joyful and it's like a from Ross and then must get a little Hilda Baker. I'll in what's it? I'll inhale that remark.

Geoff

Right, so um next up is Hark the Herald Angels Sing, which is a swinging version in the key of E flat.

Ian

Lovely.

Geoff

You've got two choruses. There's a little vamp in between first and the second chorus.

Ian

God loves a vamp. Why is it called vamp? I don't know.

Geoff

I don't know.

Ian

Vamp. Vamp is like uh an old Hollywood sexy woman. Here we go. Hark the Herald Angel sing. Glory to the newborn king. Peace on Earth and mercy mild. God and sinners reconciled. Joyful all ye nations rise. Join the triumph of the skies. With the angelic hosts proclaim, Christ is born in Bethlehem. Hark the herald angels sing glory to the newborn king. Christ by highest heaven adored, Christ the everlast ing Lord. Late in time, behold him come, offspring of the Virgin's womb. Veiled in flesh, the Godhead see, hailed incarnate deity, pleased with us in flesh to dwell. Jesus our Immanuel. Hark the herald o angels sing, glory to the newborn King.

Geoff

Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. Love that. Yeah, why is it called a vamp? V-A-M-P Vamp.

Ian

Dunno.

Geoff

Listeners, please write in with your answer. Yeah, why is it called Vamp?

Ian

Because Vamp is like Marlene Dietrich or Greta Garbo or something.

Geoff

That's a person who's a vamp, not they. Yeah.

Ian

But vamp already.

Ding Dong and Deck the Hall Latin

Geoff

I know, I know.

Ian

Someone will know.

Geoff

Right, so Ding Dong Merrily on High. Do you like this one?

Ian

I do like this one because um my sister and I used to never want it to end - that bit. Need a lot of breath for that.

Geoff

Keep going down, just keep going down, yeah. Right, here it comes.

Ian

Ding dong merrily on high, in heaven the bells are ringing. Ding dong, verily the sky, is riven with angels singing. You can't really sing that operatically, can you over that vibe?

Geoff

Is it Deck the Hall or Deck the Halls?

Ian

Deck the Hall.

Geoff

I thought it was there's one hall, right?

Ian

Yeah.

Geoff

We've got a bit of a Latin vibe going on here.

Ian

Yeah, nice.

Geoff

Here we go

Ian

Deck the hall with bows of holly, fa la la la la la la la .la Tis the season to be jolly, fa la la la la la la la la la. Fill the mead cup, drain the barrel, fa la la la la la la la la. Troll the ancient Christmas carol, fa la la la, la la la la la la Fast away the old year passes, fa la la la la la la la la la la la Hail the new ye lads and lasses la la la la la la la la la laughing, quaffing all together Fla la la la la la la la Heedless of the wind and weather fa la la la la la la la I didn't know whether to belt or not or not. Yeah Harry Secombe, Johnny Mathis, take your pick.

First Noel as Johnny Mathis

Geoff

Harry Secombe, crickey, that's a name I haven't heard for a while.

Ian

Let's do First Noel, Johnny Mathis is exciting.

Geoff

Oh yeah? Okay, you're gonna do it as Johnny Mathis. Right, okay. I was hoping you were gonna say that anyway. So, ladies and gentlemen, here we are. That would be Johnny Mathis.

Ian

The first noel, the angel did say was to certain poor shepherds in fields as they lay. In fields where they lay he keeping the sheep on a cold winter's night that was so deep. No el no el no el no el born is the king of Israel No el no el no el no el Born is the King of Israel.

Geoff

I love that It's very in the nose isn't it horrible it's kind of

Silent Night and Secular Wonder

Ian

It's a bit Kenneth Williams like Kenneth Williams sings Johnny Mathis Look at me matron. Matron. What's this one what's this one Silent Night Silent night holy night. All is calm all is bright. Round yon virgin mother and child. holy infant so tender so mild sleep in heavenly peace sleep in heavenly peace. Silent night holy night shepherds quake at the sight Glory stream from heaven afar Heavenly hosts sing hallelujah Christ the Saviour is born Christ the Saviour is born

Geoff

Yeah that was great

Ian

I'm running out now I'm sad

Geoff

Having fun yeah of course I am it's great it's great well you asked me do I like Christmas and yes I do and all these I ain't got no God but uh yeah but it doesn't matter does it doesn't matter no because you're just singing a sentiment aren't you yeah and it's about memory isn't it and I wish I could have got it to sing of some of the poppier ones I've got on here because

Ian

The copyright ones?

Geoff

Yeah I've got so many great things in this app people will have to buy it to find out yeah yeah yeah it's fun it's it's fun I mean I've I love Christmas I've I've made three Christmas albums have you yeah yeah two library yeah and I I made one with Pete Churchill years ago in the 90s just a duo thing yeah and uh I made a big band Library Christmas yeah with strings and then a small small band one as well in strings

Ian

It's never gonna go away in any of our lifetimes is it?

Geoff

No no oh yeah I love Christmas don't you?

Ian

Oh absolutely oh there's someone at the door

Geoff

Someone at the door

Trudy Arrives and Aussie Christmas

Ian

That sounds like an Australian style knock to me I think it's Trudy Kerr Trudy renowned jazz vocalist darling

Geoff

They're hugging now

Ian

Them Australian Christmas eh what were they like?

Trudy

Hot very hot

Ian

Did you do the whole turkey thing the stuffing and everything

Trudy

Yeah when I was a kid I think we used to try and do that and you'd just sit there with the sweat pouring down you

Ian

Is it true people went to the beach as well to surf instead of snow

Trudy

Exactly

Geoff

We went to Australia we we had a hot Christmas when was how long ago was that?

Trudy

Uh quite a few years ago because the kids were little Ruby was reminiscing about her Christmas presents which were one of those little mini iPad not iPads um iPod iPod yeah a pink iPod and a Michael Jackson glove or costume yeah so

Geoff

What's matter Barney?

Ian

What are you getting for Christmas Barney?

Geoff

His two front teeth I think literally he's got no teeth

Trudy

And what about you Ian what are your fondest Christmas memories?

Ian

I I like the songs really and the from the age of 11 I think 10 or 11 I just wanted records double albums you know K-te l collections and things like that

Trudy

I remember finding the Santa Claus costume in the bottom drawer at my grandma's house one year.

Ian

Oh no and that blew the whole thing.

Trudy

Yeah it did yeah

Ian

How old are you, 43? Do you remember the rustle though of your father creeping around in the night with the selection boxes and the oranges and things and I was thinking ah when do I tell my sister? Oh don't tell your sister because she still believes and then years later I said when when did you know it was dad? And she went when I was about five went wrong.

Geoff

The thing I used to um worry about was the wrapping paper. Which present was from Santa and which one was from us? Oh yeah you have to have different paper because otherwise they'd go hold on how does Santa have the same wrapping paper as well

Trudy

I think uh that was my fault one year because I think Laura and Emily, Geoff's oldest, got wind of that one year.

Geoff

Did they? Yeah, they didn't. And they just they realised.

Trudy

I think I I it was my fault in the wrapping. Yeah.

Geoff

Oh no.

Santa Secrets, Wrapping and Lego

Ian

And just remember thinking by eleven o'clock the whole contents of that were completely and and on no other occasion would you eat a twix, a mars bar, a curly wurly, a fudge, buttons, all in one single morning. And then have Christmas dinner. Oh my god.

Geoff

I'll tell you what Christmas is about for me nowadays, it's Lego. I get a Lego set every Christmas.

Ian

Oh do you?

Geoff

Yeah. And sit and put it together.

Ian

Oh my goodness. Where do you keep your Lego? Have you got a loft

Geoff

Just behind this screen behind you.

Ian

You've got Lego behind that screen.

Geoff

I've got piles and piles of Lego.

Ian

Oh my goodness.

Geoff

In boxes. Right, you going to have a sing for us, Trudy?

Trudy

I think we should have a little sing, yeah.

Geoff

Yeah. What are you going to sing for us?

Trudy

Uh, let's do a classic.

Ian

Shall we do a classic?

Geoff

Which one are we?

Trudy

Jingle Bells.

Geoff

Jingle bells.

Ian

Jingle bells, I know that one.

Geoff

Right.

Ian

Strike up the band. Okay, here we go.

Geoff

You're ready.

Ian

Look at Barney's face, look.

Geoff

If the dog starts barking during the middle of this, you'll understand. It's a it's a Christmas bark. Um, so it starts with a bit of drums and then and then you're in. You're gonna take in turns doing the verse. One, two, one, two, one, two, three.

Trudy

Dashing through the snow in a one-horse open sleigh. Over the hills we go, laughing all the way. Bells on bobtails ring, making spirits bright. What fun it is to ride and sing a sleighing song tonight. Oh, jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. Oh, what fun it is to ride in a one-horse open sleigh. Hey, jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. Oh, what fun it is to ride in a one-horse open sleigh.

Ian

Now the ground is white. Go it while you're young. And take the girls tonight and sing the sleighing song. Just get a bob-tailed bay, two forty is his speed. Hitch him to an open sleigh and crack your tape away.

Trudy

Oh, jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. Oh a fun, it is to ride in a one-horse open sleigh. Hey, jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. Oh a fun, it is to ride in a one-horse open sleigh.

Ian

He's here Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas.

Jingle Bells Duet

Geoff

That's great. Trudy, did you want to give us a solo?

Ian

Give us a solo, Trudes.

Geoff

Away in a Manger. Oh quite that. Away in a Manger. You ready? Here it comes

Away In A Manger Solo

Trudy

Away in a manger. No crib for a bed. The little Lord Jesus lay down his sweet head. The stars in the bright sky look down where he lay, the little Lord Jesus asleep on the hay. The cattle are lowing the baby awakes, but little Lord Jesus, no crying he makes. I love thee, Lord Jesus. Look down from the sky and stay by my side till morning is nigh.

Ian

Oh it's beautiful.

Trudy

It's very, very low, but thank you.

Geoff

Right, so we've got one more to uh, it's been fun.

Ian

Tell me about it. I'm coming back in Easter.

Geoff

Yeah.

Trudy

Oh yes, Easter eggs.

We Wish You A Merry Christmas

Geoff

Um, what's what we got left? We Wish You a Merry Christmas. Say goodbye to everyone and um have a little sing song and hope everyone has a great Christmas. And um I hope everyone buys Quartet Volume 5, Christmas edition.

Ian

Which is That sounds like a good thing to buy.

Geoff

I think so. I think so. Right, here we go. Are you ready?

Ian

We're ready. Great. We wish you a Merry Christmas, we wish you a Merry Christmas, we wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Good tidings we bring to you and your king. We wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Now bring us a figgy puddy. Now bring us a figgy puddy. Now bring us a figgy puddy and bring some out here. Good tidings we bring to you and your king. We wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Geoff

Happy Christmas!

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Ian

Merry Christmas! The bells Barry! Well, thanks for coming round, Ian. It's been amazing.

Trudy

So good to see you, Ian, and happy Christmas.

Ian

Happy Christmas to you, both of you as well, your whole family. It was lovely being here and singing, singing with you, Trudy, after all these years.

Trudy

It's been a very long time. Thank you.

Geoff

Thank you, the wife.

Trudy

Oh, thank you, darling, for having me.

Geoff

Love you.

Trudy

Love you too.

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