The Quartet Jazz Standards Podcast
Geoff Gascoyne chats to big-name (and upcoming) jazz soloists as they pick and play their favourite jazz standards and talk about their jazz lives.
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Geoff is a renowned jazz bass player and prolific composer and producer with credits on over 100 albums and a book of contacts to die for! He is also executive producer of the best-selling Quartet jazz standards play-along app series for iOS.
The Quartet Jazz Standards Podcast
Episode 38. Christmas Special - Ian Shaw & Trudy Kerr
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Geoff closes the year with a Christmas ‘session’ that blends memory, humour, and unapologetic swing, featuring the brilliant Ian Shaw and the incomparable Trudy Kerr. From the first count-in you can feel the band's pocket and the playful way we shape tradition: ‘God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen’ settles into a medium swing, ‘O Come All Ye Faithful’ nods to Horace Silver, ‘Hark! The Herald Angels Sing’ stretches on a tasty vamp, and ‘Deck the Halls’ dances with a Latin pulse.
Between takes we wander through the stories that make the season personal. Ian riffs on Johnny Mathis's legendary breath control, the showbiz roots behind those perfect phrases, and why holding a single note can be a high-wire act! We laugh about panettone, glittering rooms at London’s ‘Crazy Coqs’ cabaret club, and the problem of wrapping paper that accidentally exposes Santa. Trudy arrives with sunlit memories of Australian Christmases and the heat-haze version of turkey and tinsel. Then she leans into a tender ‘Away in a Manger' that quiets the room.
If you love jazz vocals, holiday standards, or just hearing great singers play with form, this episode is for you. We talk phrasing, key choices, vamps, and why carols thrive in swing without losing their heart. And yes, we celebrate Quartet Volume 5, our brand new Christmas edition of the play-along app for iOS, built for singers and players who want a tight, responsive band in their pocket. It's an invitation to practice, perform, and find new colours in songs you've known forever.
Presenter: Geoff Gascoyne
Series Producer: Paul Sissons
Production Manager: Martin Sissons
The Quartet Jazz Standards Podcast is a UK Music Apps production.
Introducing the Christmas Special
GeoffHello podcats. Geoff Gascoyne here. Well, we're getting towards the end of twenty twenty-five and uh it's been a good year. I started this podcast about forty weeks ago now. So we've had thirty seven episodes as we get to Christmas. I started this podcast as, firstly a way to promote my Quartet apps and to get people playing along, but also to speak to some great musicians and some people that I've known a long time. I've worked with some amazing people, a lot of them in the podcast. I hope you enjoyed it this year. I'm gonna carry on next year, but um coming up is a Christmas special that I recorded last week with an old friend of mine, Ian Shaw, and my lovely wife, Trudy Kerr, two great singers. Um Ian came around to listen to Quartet Volume 5, which came out recently, uh, which is an edition of all Christmas tunes. And he had a little sing, and Trudy came along and sung with him as well. And we had a lovely afternoon, and hope you're gonna enjoy this. This is a Christmas podcast special. Here we go.
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Ian Arrives and Holiday Banter
GeoffThat's got it. Hi Ian.
IanHello.
GeoffIt's nearly Christmas.
IanIt is,
GeoffAnd um the new app is out.
IanCouldn't be more excited.
GeoffDo you like Christmas?
IanI do like Christmas for a complete atheist, but also a deeply romantic at heart, I like the cheese. And the lights and the old films, and I never get sick of watching, you know, Judy Garland on the television.
GeoffWhereabouts are you normally in Christmas?
IanIt depends, either at my sister's enormous, huge celebration, big family. She's got a very blended family, me, my partner, three kids, uh, grandchildren, so I've got grand grandnephews. Yeah. So we all get together and drink. My sister and I just we just wait for the moment where everyone's gone and we can drink gin and tonic. She likes flavoured gin, which is all it was a boon, a boon at Christmas.
GeoffNice, nice.
IanYeah.
GeoffSo we've just had some uh panettoni, actually. The first one just appeared in ...
IanIt's air, Geoffrey.
GeoffIt's all air, isn't it? Butter and air. It was we pretty much had a whole one.
IanWe did, didn't we? Yeah.
GeoffWe were talking about um
IanJohnny Mathis.
Johnny Mathis, Breath and Legend
GeoffWe were talking about Johnny Mathis the other day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That um that YouTube clip of of of him singing Johnny One Note. Have you seen that before?
IanJesus got one one minute forty-one seconds. Do you think that's real, or do you think I'm not sure it could be real? You know, he was an underwater swimmer and an athlete. He was an Olympic athlete.
GeoffWas he?
IanYeah, yeah, yeah.
GeoffYeah.
IanHe was a gymnastic uh swimmer and an athlete. People are impressed by holding notes on, aren't they?
GeoffYeah. For anyone who hasn't seen it, it's Johnny Math is singing Johnny One Note. And he holds that note for
IanOne 140.
GeoffOne minute forty. Yeah. While the backing singers sing the whole thing, I mean anything.
IanI saw that years ago. I might have seen it on the telly. Winslet can do three and a half minutes. Kate Winslet. Underwater, yeah.
GeoffOh god. That's like a diving thing, isn't it?
IanYeah. I'm not bragging, but I could probably do that, I think. You just have to really almost go into a different. If you let any air go through it, you wouldn't be you you wouldn't last four seconds.
GeoffSo that's amazing, Christ.
IanWith the music around it, it would be like a distraction. So you'd be in a some weird sort of hypnotic zone, you know. Weird, isn't it? Well,
GeoffSo we think Johnny's thing is probably real.
IanI think he did it, yeah. He's pretty fit. I think I'm pretty fit as well. I'm fat but fit, you know. You know, he went straight into show business from sport.
GeoffRight, I didn't know that.
IanAnd there's some incredible footage of him dancing and doing trapeze and things on a show. I think the Andy Williams show.
GeoffRight.
IanThe Johnny Mathis Christmas album. I'm sure we had that in the coffin on legs, you know, in the front room. Yeah. The radiogram. Yeah. As soon as I hear I , I'm
GeoffWhen a Child Was Born. Yeah. Are you doing any Christmas gigs or anything like that?
IanYeah, I do a thing called um Shaw Shimmers into Christmas. I do double cocks. So two crazy cocks, two shows. Yeah.
GeoffOkay.
IanYeah, and it's just really funny because it's very glittery and camp and jewel-like, down there, you know, and people come they I think people come there because they want not just like a decent gig, but they also want a sort of night out in. And it's you couldn't get more smack bang London, could you? It's like literally Piccadilly Circus, you know. I do some sort of unusual Christmas songs. Like there's a great song called Facelift, which is all about uh Joni Mitchell. It's called Facelift because she'd given her mum some money from a song that was you called Man from Mars, which was used in a film called Grace of My Heart. And with these rare royalties, she gave some money to her mum. She gets like $20,000 from and her mother spent it on a facelift. I do some of the Motown ones, I've written a few. I Hate You Most at Christmas is a good song of mine. Which um
GeoffYou don't do The Little Boy That Santa Claus Forgot do you?
IanNo.
GeoffDo you know that one?
IanI do, that's a great song, isn't it? Yeah.
GeoffThat's my favourite one.
IanOh my god.
GeoffThe payoff is I'm so sorry for that. Laddie, he hasn't got it. Daddy!
IanThat's awful, isn't it?
Inside the Quartet Volume 5 Tracks
GeoffOh, it's that's on Quartet 5, by the way. Is that one? Yeah.
IanIs it?
GeoffAlong with many - let me get the list up one.
IanLook at that.
GeoffEverything from Baby It's Cold Outside.
IanOh wow!
GeoffChristmas Song, of course. Um Christmas Time is here. Christmas was.
IanHave you got Geoff's Nuts Roasting on an Open Fire? We're talking about that one when I do it. E flat.
GeoffDriving Home for Christmas.
IanYeah.
GeoffA, Feliz Navidad.
IanSilly Navidad.
GeoffFrosty the Snowman.
IanI Believe Oh, I love I Believe in Father Christmas. Do we swing some of these? Step into Christmas.
GeoffMistletone and Wine.
IanYeah.
GeoffSleigh Ride, Silver Bells, Silent Night. This Christmas, Step into Christmas.
IanOh, What Are You Doing New Year's Eve? That's beautiful.
God Rest Ye in Jazz Swing
GeoffSo would you fancy having a go at this? God Rest Ye Merry, Gentleman.
IanYeah, to get the lyrics up there.
GeoffHere D minor, you got two choruses, and um here we go.
IanGod resty merry gentleman, let nothing you dismay. Remember Christ I say he gave you was born on Christmas Day To save us all from Satan's power when we were gone astray. Oh tidings of comfort and joy, comfort and joy. Oh tidings of comfort and joy. Oh yeah. Whoa, and Bethlehem and Bethlehem, the blessed babe was born. And laid with it again, I mean, angel upon this blessed morn. To wish his mother married nothing taking scorn. Oh tidings of comfort, and joy comfort, and joy. Oh tidings of comfort and joy.
GeoffYeah, great. Beautiful, beautiful.
IanGive me more, give me more.
GeoffIt's funny because these tunes, I think they translate really well to to jazz. They do, don't they?
IanYeah, they really do. Yeah, especially that kind of mid sort of medium swing thing.
GeoffThere's a lot of medium swing in here. Yes. Okay, what about Oh Come All Ye Faithful?
IanYes.
GeoffYeah.
IanWhere's that then? Got it.
GeoffRight, so Oh Come All Ye Faithful. A lot of these we came up with little arrangements just in the studio, and this one's got a bit of Horace Silver kind of vibe.
IanOh come ye, oh come ye to Bethlehem. Come and behold him, born the king of angels. Oh come, let us adore him. Oh come, let us adore him. Oh come let us adore him, Christ the Lord.
GeoffA little bit of impersonation going on there.
IanWho's that then?
GeoffI think that's how Johnny would say.
IanThat's Johnny, isn't it? Yeah. Oh come all ye faithful.
GeoffThat's it. That's great.
IanIt's joyful and it's like a from Ross and then must get a little Hilda Baker. I'll in what's it? I'll inhale that remark.
GeoffRight, so um next up is Hark the Herald Angels Sing, which is a swinging version in the key of E flat.
IanLovely.
GeoffYou've got two choruses. There's a little vamp in between first and the second chorus.
IanGod loves a vamp. Why is it called vamp? I don't know.
GeoffI don't know.
IanVamp. Vamp is like uh an old Hollywood sexy woman. Here we go. Hark the Herald Angel sing. Glory to the newborn king. Peace on Earth and mercy mild. God and sinners reconciled. Joyful all ye nations rise. Join the triumph of the skies. With the angelic hosts proclaim, Christ is born in Bethlehem. Hark the herald angels sing glory to the newborn king. Christ by highest heaven adored, Christ the everlast ing Lord. Late in time, behold him come, offspring of the Virgin's womb. Veiled in flesh, the Godhead see, hailed incarnate deity, pleased with us in flesh to dwell. Jesus our Immanuel. Hark the herald o angels sing, glory to the newborn King.
GeoffYeah. Yeah. That's a good one. Love that. Yeah, why is it called a vamp? V-A-M-P Vamp.
IanDunno.
GeoffListeners, please write in with your answer. Yeah, why is it called Vamp?
IanBecause Vamp is like Marlene Dietrich or Greta Garbo or something.
GeoffThat's a person who's a vamp, not they. Yeah.
IanBut vamp already.
Ding Dong and Deck the Hall Latin
GeoffI know, I know.
IanSomeone will know.
GeoffRight, so Ding Dong Merrily on High. Do you like this one?
IanI do like this one because um my sister and I used to never want it to end - that bit. Need a lot of breath for that.
GeoffKeep going down, just keep going down, yeah. Right, here it comes.
IanDing dong merrily on high, in heaven the bells are ringing. Ding dong, verily the sky, is riven with angels singing. You can't really sing that operatically, can you over that vibe?
GeoffIs it Deck the Hall or Deck the Halls?
IanDeck the Hall.
GeoffI thought it was there's one hall, right?
IanYeah.
GeoffWe've got a bit of a Latin vibe going on here.
IanYeah, nice.
GeoffHere we go
IanDeck the hall with bows of holly, fa la la la la la la la .la Tis the season to be jolly, fa la la la la la la la la la. Fill the mead cup, drain the barrel, fa la la la la la la la la. Troll the ancient Christmas carol, fa la la la, la la la la la la Fast away the old year passes, fa la la la la la la la la la la la Hail the new ye lads and lasses la la la la la la la la la laughing, quaffing all together Fla la la la la la la la Heedless of the wind and weather fa la la la la la la la I didn't know whether to belt or not or not. Yeah Harry Secombe, Johnny Mathis, take your pick.
First Noel as Johnny Mathis
GeoffHarry Secombe, crickey, that's a name I haven't heard for a while.
IanLet's do First Noel, Johnny Mathis is exciting.
GeoffOh yeah? Okay, you're gonna do it as Johnny Mathis. Right, okay. I was hoping you were gonna say that anyway. So, ladies and gentlemen, here we are. That would be Johnny Mathis.
IanThe first noel, the angel did say was to certain poor shepherds in fields as they lay. In fields where they lay he keeping the sheep on a cold winter's night that was so deep. No el no el no el no el born is the king of Israel No el no el no el no el Born is the King of Israel.
GeoffI love that It's very in the nose isn't it horrible it's kind of
Silent Night and Secular Wonder
IanIt's a bit Kenneth Williams like Kenneth Williams sings Johnny Mathis Look at me matron. Matron. What's this one what's this one Silent Night Silent night holy night. All is calm all is bright. Round yon virgin mother and child. holy infant so tender so mild sleep in heavenly peace sleep in heavenly peace. Silent night holy night shepherds quake at the sight Glory stream from heaven afar Heavenly hosts sing hallelujah Christ the Saviour is born Christ the Saviour is born
GeoffYeah that was great
IanI'm running out now I'm sad
GeoffHaving fun yeah of course I am it's great it's great well you asked me do I like Christmas and yes I do and all these I ain't got no God but uh yeah but it doesn't matter does it doesn't matter no because you're just singing a sentiment aren't you yeah and it's about memory isn't it and I wish I could have got it to sing of some of the poppier ones I've got on here because
IanThe copyright ones?
GeoffYeah I've got so many great things in this app people will have to buy it to find out yeah yeah yeah it's fun it's it's fun I mean I've I love Christmas I've I've made three Christmas albums have you yeah yeah two library yeah and I I made one with Pete Churchill years ago in the 90s just a duo thing yeah and uh I made a big band Library Christmas yeah with strings and then a small small band one as well in strings
IanIt's never gonna go away in any of our lifetimes is it?
GeoffNo no oh yeah I love Christmas don't you?
IanOh absolutely oh there's someone at the door
GeoffSomeone at the door
Trudy Arrives and Aussie Christmas
IanThat sounds like an Australian style knock to me I think it's Trudy Kerr Trudy renowned jazz vocalist darling
GeoffThey're hugging now
IanThem Australian Christmas eh what were they like?
TrudyHot very hot
IanDid you do the whole turkey thing the stuffing and everything
TrudyYeah when I was a kid I think we used to try and do that and you'd just sit there with the sweat pouring down you
IanIs it true people went to the beach as well to surf instead of snow
TrudyExactly
GeoffWe went to Australia we we had a hot Christmas when was how long ago was that?
TrudyUh quite a few years ago because the kids were little Ruby was reminiscing about her Christmas presents which were one of those little mini iPad not iPads um iPod iPod yeah a pink iPod and a Michael Jackson glove or costume yeah so
GeoffWhat's matter Barney?
IanWhat are you getting for Christmas Barney?
GeoffHis two front teeth I think literally he's got no teeth
TrudyAnd what about you Ian what are your fondest Christmas memories?
IanI I like the songs really and the from the age of 11 I think 10 or 11 I just wanted records double albums you know K-te l collections and things like that
TrudyI remember finding the Santa Claus costume in the bottom drawer at my grandma's house one year.
IanOh no and that blew the whole thing.
TrudyYeah it did yeah
IanHow old are you, 43? Do you remember the rustle though of your father creeping around in the night with the selection boxes and the oranges and things and I was thinking ah when do I tell my sister? Oh don't tell your sister because she still believes and then years later I said when when did you know it was dad? And she went when I was about five went wrong.
GeoffThe thing I used to um worry about was the wrapping paper. Which present was from Santa and which one was from us? Oh yeah you have to have different paper because otherwise they'd go hold on how does Santa have the same wrapping paper as well
TrudyI think uh that was my fault one year because I think Laura and Emily, Geoff's oldest, got wind of that one year.
GeoffDid they? Yeah, they didn't. And they just they realised.
TrudyI think I I it was my fault in the wrapping. Yeah.
GeoffOh no.
Santa Secrets, Wrapping and Lego
IanAnd just remember thinking by eleven o'clock the whole contents of that were completely and and on no other occasion would you eat a twix, a mars bar, a curly wurly, a fudge, buttons, all in one single morning. And then have Christmas dinner. Oh my god.
GeoffI'll tell you what Christmas is about for me nowadays, it's Lego. I get a Lego set every Christmas.
IanOh do you?
GeoffYeah. And sit and put it together.
IanOh my goodness. Where do you keep your Lego? Have you got a loft
GeoffJust behind this screen behind you.
IanYou've got Lego behind that screen.
GeoffI've got piles and piles of Lego.
IanOh my goodness.
GeoffIn boxes. Right, you going to have a sing for us, Trudy?
TrudyI think we should have a little sing, yeah.
GeoffYeah. What are you going to sing for us?
TrudyUh, let's do a classic.
IanShall we do a classic?
GeoffWhich one are we?
TrudyJingle Bells.
GeoffJingle bells.
IanJingle bells, I know that one.
GeoffRight.
IanStrike up the band. Okay, here we go.
GeoffYou're ready.
IanLook at Barney's face, look.
GeoffIf the dog starts barking during the middle of this, you'll understand. It's a it's a Christmas bark. Um, so it starts with a bit of drums and then and then you're in. You're gonna take in turns doing the verse. One, two, one, two, one, two, three.
TrudyDashing through the snow in a one-horse open sleigh. Over the hills we go, laughing all the way. Bells on bobtails ring, making spirits bright. What fun it is to ride and sing a sleighing song tonight. Oh, jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. Oh, what fun it is to ride in a one-horse open sleigh. Hey, jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. Oh, what fun it is to ride in a one-horse open sleigh.
IanNow the ground is white. Go it while you're young. And take the girls tonight and sing the sleighing song. Just get a bob-tailed bay, two forty is his speed. Hitch him to an open sleigh and crack your tape away.
TrudyOh, jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. Oh a fun, it is to ride in a one-horse open sleigh. Hey, jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. Oh a fun, it is to ride in a one-horse open sleigh.
IanHe's here Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas.
Jingle Bells Duet
GeoffThat's great. Trudy, did you want to give us a solo?
IanGive us a solo, Trudes.
GeoffAway in a Manger. Oh quite that. Away in a Manger. You ready? Here it comes
Away In A Manger Solo
TrudyAway in a manger. No crib for a bed. The little Lord Jesus lay down his sweet head. The stars in the bright sky look down where he lay, the little Lord Jesus asleep on the hay. The cattle are lowing the baby awakes, but little Lord Jesus, no crying he makes. I love thee, Lord Jesus. Look down from the sky and stay by my side till morning is nigh.
IanOh it's beautiful.
TrudyIt's very, very low, but thank you.
GeoffRight, so we've got one more to uh, it's been fun.
IanTell me about it. I'm coming back in Easter.
GeoffYeah.
TrudyOh yes, Easter eggs.
We Wish You A Merry Christmas
GeoffUm, what's what we got left? We Wish You a Merry Christmas. Say goodbye to everyone and um have a little sing song and hope everyone has a great Christmas. And um I hope everyone buys Quartet Volume 5, Christmas edition.
IanWhich is That sounds like a good thing to buy.
GeoffI think so. I think so. Right, here we go. Are you ready?
IanWe're ready. Great. We wish you a Merry Christmas, we wish you a Merry Christmas, we wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Good tidings we bring to you and your king. We wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Now bring us a figgy puddy. Now bring us a figgy puddy. Now bring us a figgy puddy and bring some out here. Good tidings we bring to you and your king. We wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
GeoffHappy Christmas!
Farewells and How to Subscribe
IanMerry Christmas! The bells Barry! Well, thanks for coming round, Ian. It's been amazing.
TrudySo good to see you, Ian, and happy Christmas.
IanHappy Christmas to you, both of you as well, your whole family. It was lovely being here and singing, singing with you, Trudy, after all these years.
TrudyIt's been a very long time. Thank you.
GeoffThank you, the wife.
TrudyOh, thank you, darling, for having me.
GeoffLove you.
TrudyLove you too.
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